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July 10, 2019 2:16 pm  #1


Future of free antenna TV

For all us antenna geeks and users out there...me included...

'Next Gen TV has the capability to broadcast high-quality Ultra HD 4K video, HDR and wide color gamut, high frame rates up to 120Hz, and more. Like current over-the-air TV broadcasts -- and unlike cable, satellite or live TV streaming -- it will be free. You'll just need an antenna and a TV or separate tuner that can decode it. ATSC 3.0 proponents also claim better reception indoors and on the go, perhaps on your phone or even to your car.One potential downside for consumers? ATSC 3.0 will also let broadcasters track your viewing habits, information that can be used for targeted advertising, just like websites and companies like Facebook and Google use today.' 


https://www.cnet.com/news/over-the-air-4k-tv-is-almost-here-with-atsc-3-0-the-future-of-free-antenna-tv/ 

Last edited by Johnny B (July 10, 2019 2:17 pm)

 

July 10, 2019 2:57 pm  #2


Re: Future of free antenna TV

Very interesting and exciting!

The not so exciting part is the loss of so many channels in the past two weeks.  Is it weather conditions?  Im scanning 15 channels vs 35 channels average in Etobicoke.

City TV and 47-OMNI arent even being picked up eitheir. 

 

July 11, 2019 12:15 pm  #3


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Don't get too excited about ATSC-3.  There are no TV's out there with it installed in the USA, so broadcasters aren't about to desert 10-15% of their audience base.  However WNLO-49 may go ATSC-3 when it moves to its new Ch. 16 Assignment and relocates to Grand Island soon.   Markow202 - is your antenna aimed at any trees?  Tree leaves are a problem, particularly when wet in summer, if there is a tree in the direction of your antenna.   The hot humid weather has also caused inversions over the cold lake waters which impact the distant Buffalo transmitters, particularly WKBW and WGRZ.   It is not uncommon to see WGRZ at one moment and then lose WNED - which is under powered and impacted by weather fades.   Things could stabilize just a bit, on August 2nd, when Toronto and a number of Buffalo stations relocate to their (final) "repack" channels.   Expect a decrease in strength for WNLO/WIVB as it relocates much further south to the old Colden TX site and relocates to Ch.36.   But WUTV's signal should improve when it moves to Ch. 32.  Are you using a pre-amp with your antenna? Some pre-amps - particularly Channel Master are impacted when Western NY signals fade, and the Toronto signals (much stronger) overload the amp.

Curious.  Do you ever see WDTB-HD channel 39 (off-air channel 29)?   It is only 15 KW, and is an indicator often of better reception conditions over the path to Buffalo.

In any event, by early March of next year, which is "phase 8" of the repack, you should see an improvement for a few more stations, notably WNED - on Channel 31.   WPXJ Batavia might also be more reliable when it moves its site further west, more in line with the other Buffalo stations.

Last edited by tvguy (July 11, 2019 12:16 pm)

 

July 11, 2019 12:23 pm  #4


Re: Future of free antenna TV

This is awesome (and super geeky) info...thanks!...I have a place on the north shore of Lake Erie about 30 minutes from Niagara Falls...it's one of the best places in Canada to get free tv...all the major Canadian and US networks plus the cool niche channels, Laff, Heroes and Icons, MeTv, etc...but I've often wondered why one day I can only access 20 channels and the next day I can get over 40...always thought reception had something to do with the trees and weather.


tvguy wrote:

Don't get too excited about ATSC-3.  There are no TV's out there with it installed in the USA, so broadcasters aren't about to desert 10-15% of their audience base.  However WNLO-49 may go ATSC-3 when it moves to its new Ch. 16 Assignment and relocates to Grand Island soon.   Markow202 - is your antenna aimed at any trees?  Tree leaves are a problem, particularly when wet in summer, if there is a tree in the direction of your antenna.   The hot humid weather has also caused inversions over the cold lake waters which impact the distant Buffalo transmitters, particularly WKBW and WGRZ.   It is not uncommon to see WGRZ at one moment and then lose WNED - which is under powered and impacted by weather fades.   Things could stabilize just a bit, on August 2nd, when Toronto and a number of Buffalo stations relocate to their (final) "repack" channels.   Expect a decrease in strength for WNLO/WIVB as it relocates much further south to the old Colden TX site and relocates to Ch.36.   But WUTV's signal should improve when it moves to Ch. 32.  Are you using a pre-amp with your antenna? Some pre-amps - particularly Channel Master are impacted when Western NY signals fade, and the Toronto signals (much stronger) overload the amp.

Curious.  Do you ever see WDTB-HD channel 39 (off-air channel 29)?   It is only 15 KW, and is an indicator often of better reception conditions over the path to Buffalo.

In any event, by early March of next year, which is "phase 8" of the repack, you should see an improvement for a few more stations, notably WNED - on Channel 31.   WPXJ Batavia might also be more reliable when it moves its site further west, more in line with the other Buffalo stations.

 

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July 11, 2019 1:28 pm  #5


Re: Future of free antenna TV

tvguy, I always appreciate it when you chime in.

tvguy wrote:

Things could stabilize just a bit, on August 2nd, when Toronto and a number of Buffalo stations relocate to their (final) "repack" channels.

I didn't realize the Toronto changes were coming this soon. Is it possible certain stations are on reduced power/temporary antennas right now as new equipment is being installed for the August 2nd cut-over?

Last edited by Tim Brown 2016 (July 11, 2019 1:30 pm)

 

July 16, 2019 2:49 pm  #6


Re: Future of free antenna TV

Im guessing they are climbing up and down the mast of the CN Tower due to this repack.

 

July 16, 2019 5:47 pm  #7


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The switch over for the stations on the CN Tower is March 7, 2020.   But it is possible that if there is any antenna work to be done, now is the time.  The February/March period would be very difficult to coordinate antenna work.   It is the Hamilton stations which are moving in August.  CITS - Ch. 36 will move at the same time that WNLO/WIVB switch channels.  Sorry if my earlier post confused the situation.   WNED, and WKBW are moving in the March 2020 repack

 

July 17, 2019 12:28 pm  #8


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tvguy wrote:

The switch over for the stations on the CN Tower is March 7, 2020.   But it is possible that if there is any antenna work to be done, now is the time.  The February/March period would be very difficult to coordinate antenna work.   It is the Hamilton stations which are moving in August.  CITS - Ch. 36 will move at the same time that WNLO/WIVB switch channels.  Sorry if my earlier post confused the situation.   WNED, and WKBW are moving in the March 2020 repack

I beleive they have started as I havent been able to receive channels CFMT 47, CITY 57 for over a month now while others from there are ok.  And when I have received it, the signal was pixeled with one bar or no signal at all, so eitheir those ones are now at FCP until this is done im not sure.