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Mon May 14 4:57 pm  #61


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

RadioActive wrote:

An Amber Alert went out over Toronto radio and TV stations just after the noon hour Monday, warning about a missing and possibly abducted child. It comes just days after the first test of the emergency system was mostly a complete bust on a majority of cell phones. Did anyone's cell get this one?

 
I know by now that chatr doesn't support my Moto phone, when it comes to alerts, but I did see and RT the amber alert today on Twitter, so Twitter, and my radio will have to be my alert system, as will be the case for a good number of people.

And, a positive side benefit: no marble garble unreasonable imitation of a human voice to have to listen to, and try to decipher.😁

 

Mon May 14 5:16 pm  #62


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

betaylored wrote:

I did see and RT the amber alert today on Twitter, so Twitter, and my radio will have to be my alert system, as will be the case for a good number of people.

Huh? What do you mean (my bolding of your above text.)

Beyond that, WHY WOULD YOU RE-TWEET (RT) AN AMBER ALERT? Firstly, everyone else probably got it. Secondly, the issue was in Thunder Bay! 
 

 

Tue May 15 10:26 am  #63


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

Thanks for the suggestion cGrant. I've downloaded the Weather Network app. Rogers owns chatr, so I have no idea why they don't support the alerts on all types of cellphones.

With regards to using Twitter as a way to track emergency situations, I find Twitter is geographically specific enough to bring urgent and or life threatening situations to the public, in a way that these general alerts have yet to master. The Friday wind storm several weeks ago was a good example, with the Twitter accounts of the police, hydro, fire dept. updating the public, and people tweeting about their power outages. All the tweeted pictures of trees lying across cars brought the severity of the weather home.

Matt Guerney, Steve Dangle, lots of radio people RT missing persons alerts trying to be helpful. I won't debate the wisdom of it, people need to do what works for them.😀

 

Tue May 15 10:42 am  #64


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

betaylored wrote:

lots of radio people RT missing persons alerts trying to be helpful. I won't debate the wisdom of it, people need to do what works for them.😀

Well media types would RT because they believe it's part of their jobs. As for regular people, let's be honest, RT an Amber Alert is nothing more than social media "prayers and thoughts" -- it's warm and fuzzy and makes people believe they are actually accomplishing something.

I read hundreds of social media posts a day. Do you honestly believe that I will read a missing person post, look up and magically the subject will be in my vision? Or I'll round up a possy and go a-hunting? Heck, when I see an alert or one of those motivational/inspirational posts, I pass them by tout suite. And, I don't believe I'm alone.

I do agree, currently, Twitter's geofencing of targetted posts are far superior than this early-stage Pelmorex one. But, that will improve. Cellular triangulation is leaps and bounds above Twitter's.
 

 

Tue May 15 11:34 am  #65


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

betaylored wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion cGrant. I've downloaded the Weather Network app. Rogers owns chatr, so I have no idea why they don't support the alerts on all types of cellphones.

chatr doesn't provide LTE access, which is required to push the alerts. 

 

 

Tue May 15 11:39 am  #66


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

I have a question, when there is going to be something like a severe thunderstorm warning for Toronto or any other town, will my phone be going off alarming or will it be for something very serious such as Tornadoes (which I remember for the past two years, the radio stations would transmit the scary alarm sound and announcement for that)

 

Tue May 15 1:54 pm  #67


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

markow202 wrote:

when there is going to be something like a severe thunderstorm warning for Toronto or any other town, will my phone be going off alarming or will it be for something very serious such as Tornadoes

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Tue May 15 3:14 pm  #68


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

Don wrote:

betaylored wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion cGrant. I've downloaded the Weather Network app. Rogers owns chatr, so I have no idea why they don't support the alerts on all types of cellphones.

chatr doesn't provide LTE access, which is required to push the alerts. 

 

So this is a win/win then, no marble-mouthed alerts, and I get to enjoy my 35. bucks a month plan. Thanks for the explanation re the LTE access Don.

Oddly enough, I got the idea to go with chatr, when they were Mobilicity, from listening to the Stafford Show, when someone called in saying they used the company. I don't have a huge amount of monthly data, but I'm also not paying a fortune either.

Re severe weather, I love the updates from Environment Canada and the fairly vague words 'warning' and 'watch', even radio hosts make it a point to explain the difference between the two when there's severe weather coming in. I end up trying to recall which one means I may need to close the window, and have a flashlight nearby.

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Tue May 15 3:42 pm  #69


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

betaylored wrote:

So this is a win/win then, no marble-mouthed alerts

Well, Sir, LTE-enabled phones that are compatible with the ReadyAlert system don't actually get any audio beyond the familiar siren tone. I'm not really certain this is a "win-win" as you won't be (pardon the pun) alerted to incoming ICBMs that will be inevitably on their way when that Orange Oompa-Loompa activates WWIII.
 

 

Tue May 15 5:23 pm  #70


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

How is it that the recording that the CRA scammers posing as the R.C.M.P. are using is automated, robotic, but easy to understand. If fraudsters can achieve this, why can't the audio of amber and other alerts be produced with clear communication the end result.

Congrats to media outlets for getting out word out about the CRA scams to those less savvy people. When the fraudsters are going as far as calling individual R.C.M.P. officers and threatening them, as Newstalk 1010 has reported this afternoon, we need all the info we can get.

 

Tue May 15 6:17 pm  #71


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

My favourite part, if you can call it that, of the bogus CRA guy's spiel came when I got one of those calls a few months ago.

After threatening every conceivable disaster - arresting you, taking your house, ruining your credit, destroying your reputation, leaving your children destitute etc. -if I didn't comply immediately, the recording ended with the guy saying, "Thank you and have a nice day!"

That was one of the funniest codas I've ever heard. 

     Thread Starter
 

Tue May 15 11:01 pm  #72


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

I actually managed to convince one phone scammer selling insurance to give me a number to call back. They asked to come to my home to discuss (they got my name and address off 411 or something). I told them I was not that person (gave a fake name), that I'd recently got the number, but happened to be interested. I said that I was gonna ask my spouse to agree to a meeting. Anyhow, the number they gave me worked. I asked to meet at a coffee shop near where I work. They said they'd meet me, but didn't show after 15 minutes, so I called and was told the person meeting me was probably running late. I said I couldn't stay beyond my work coffee break so could we reschedule. The next promised meeting was again a no-show. When I called back the same person answered and insisted they weren't selling insurance but something else that was healthcare related. Very strange; I tried to bite but possibly spooked them.The initial person claimed to be repping a particular insurance agency. I spoke with people at that agency with a view to staging a possible set-up. The timing didn't work - it all happened faster than the agency could deal with. Of course, after the fact, I gave the number to a couple police departments and explained what happened. Some of us are probably getting one or two calls a day. I think it'd be a fine lark if a few people who know each other could arrange to have multiple scammers meet at a single address, and have an audience waiting for an interesting rendez-vous.

 

Wed May 16 5:58 am  #73


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

Irvine wrote:

betaylored wrote:

When the fraudsters are going as far as calling individual R.C.M.P. officers and threatening them, as Newstalk 1010 has reported this afternoon, we need all the info we can get.

The technical term for this is "vishing".  The reason the audio is clear is the setup's are actually pretty simple. A little VPN tunneling, recordings & a war dialer that simply reads numbers out of a database.  It's very likely they don't know they're calling RCMP officers. Further, it's not like the RCMP officers about it unless they're going to call in a bunch of digital forensics guys like me & we go on an expensive manhunt that circles the planet. 


 

In the Newstalk 1010 report, the RCMP officer said he had been called because they knew was an RCMP officer, and that he had been told to back off. I was in a rush when I typed the above.

This thread has provided a lot of useful info. I also now understand why cGrant and I'm sure others were delighted at your return to the big yellow board Irvine, that info on how these scammers tech their way into our homes has me concluding that any further hopes we might have about stopping them is vishful thinking.

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Wed May 16 4:32 pm  #74


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

betaylored wrote:

Congrats to media outlets for getting out word out about the CRA scams to those less savvy people. When the fraudsters are going as far as calling individual R.C.M.P. officers and threatening them, as Newstalk 1010 has reported this afternoon, we need all the info we can get.

C'mon! Do people REALLY need Grandpappy Media to "warn" them about this stuff? Seriously? My God, let's spoon feed all these dence snowflakes some more. Let Darwin cull these fools naturally. If, in the year 2018, you really need to be warned of all these obvious scams, then you're far too precious to have internet and/or mobile access.
 

 

Wed May 16 8:16 pm  #75


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

Irvine wrote:

cGrant wrote:

betaylored wrote:

Congrats to media outlets for getting out word out about the CRA scams to those less savvy people. When the fraudsters are going as far as calling individual R.C.M.P. officers and threatening them, as Newstalk 1010 has reported this afternoon, we need all the info we can get.

C'mon! Do people REALLY need Grandpappy Media to "warn" them about this stuff? Seriously? My God, let's spoon feed all these dence snowflakes some more. Let Darwin cull these fools naturally. If, in the year 2018, you really need to be warned of all these obvious scams, then you're far too precious to have internet and/or mobile access.
 

Honestly, yeah, we need it.  I make a living as a cyber security analyst or as you might call it a hacker.  Professionally I advise clients to harden their networks & protect their data. My advice is often ignored because of cost, etc.  I have been a trainer & offered seminars in personal online security.  I tell a lot of people "that's the wrong thing to do" and they don't listen to me because "no one is going to come at them". Then when it happens they email me hoping I can help. 
 

 
The DVD I was watching today had a trailer for the tv show "Mr. Robot" and it looks like it will be either amazing, or pure crap in that it could take too much license with the real life hacker and tech world. Have you seen it Irvine, is it realistic, and plausible? If you haven't seen it, providing it's a good show, you might get a kick out of it. It's on my list of shows to try out.

Re: security online, there's a new company advertising their app on Twitter, click on their offer, and a screen comes up telling you to give them your phone number and then they'll give you the link to download the app. I took a pass, because it didn't seem like a smart move, and because I hear guys like Carmi Levy on Newstalk 1010, giving us updates on tech, the good, and not so good stories. And while I understand cGrant's p.o.v. talking about scams etc on radio and television is above all else, content, and content is king.

 

Thu May 17 6:02 am  #76


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

I was going to do a 'Quote, but thought a quote of a quote of a quote was one quote too far.

Thanks Irvine, for the 'Mr.Robot' intel. I was hoping it was intelligently written, but after seeing what 'Suits' does with the notion of lawyers being officers of the court, I had serious doubts. 'Fringe' is one of my all-time top shows, the episode "The No-Brainer" is a gooey good fav, and I keep looking for another show as exceptional. I'll be hunting down 'Mr. Robot' to cure my 'House of Cards' withdrawal.

 

Thu May 17 12:41 pm  #77


Re: Get Ready For Your TV, Radio - & Phones - To Be Interrupted May 7th

Irvine wrote:

betaylored wrote:

I was going to do a 'Quote, but thought a quote of a quote of a quote was one quote too far.

Thanks Irvine, for the 'Mr.Robot' intel. I was hoping it was intelligently written, but after seeing what 'Suits' does with the notion of lawyers being officers of the court, I had serious doubts. 'Fringe' is one of my all-time top shows, the episode "The No-Brainer" is a gooey good fav, and I keep looking for another show as exceptional. I'll be hunting down 'Mr. Robot' to cure my 'House of Cards' withdrawal.

The technology presented on the show is very accurate though I think that's what gives the show appeal to hackers in general. The characters in the show were well researched for personality & Christian Slater is good in the role of Mr Robot.  This is a show you have to pay very close attention too and think about to understand. This is especially important in Season 2 which is really baffling. 

It really does touch on what's happening out in the world with regards to cyber security.  Hacking, as viewed by the public, is mostly associated with hacktivism.  That's a very dated concept.  The hacking world is much less about groups like Anonymous and more about state sponsored actors & organized crime. Season 3 of the show really delves into that.  There is some nasty players out there and more than one guy has suffered from PTSD from the gig. 

And the general public is so out of touch about it.  I think there is some guy on here who uses an alias and then his signature is that "the less the internet knows about me".  I get a chuckle because he's logging into a site without TLS, one that's managed by a guy with limited cyber security expertise & ...well it's a data base on the internet.  Easily rooted in less than a day if someone was inclined.  The only secure place is my cabin on Galiango Island which is internet free.  Rates start at 20 bucks a day.  You have to pump your own water.
 

If you ever decide to write a thriller about a hacker who hides out on an island, and "gets pulled back in for one last job" I'd buy a copy and read it (pretty sure cGrant would too) Just think Irvine, you could be to hackers what Harlan Coben is to sports agents/lawyers/basketball.

Also wanted to mention that GNR am640 has had a regular tech expert on who was very good at explaining things, his name escapes me right now.

ps. Harlan Coben is a great laugh outloud at times read, he loves pop culture as much as Robert Turner loves Star Wars.