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February 13, 2020 8:15 pm  #1


Exactly One Month To Go Before Final Buffalo OTA Stations Repack

There are two major Buffalo stations left that have yet to go to their new reassigned channels. According to the FCC, WKBW, the ABC affiliate and WNED, the PBS outlet, will be heading to their new positions sometime on March 13, a month from today as I post this. (Note: if you're using the link above, you'll have to enter the zip code to see all the changes. Use "14202" for Buffalo and hit "Submit.")

'KB will be going from Channel 38 to Channel 34, while WNED will migrate from channel 43 over to 31. When it happens, you'll need to rescan for these stations to keep getting them. With luck, the weather will cooperate.  

The FCC says the stations should start airing on air reminders about the change as the date draws near.

I've been having horrible troubles with both signals for months. Hopefully, reception in the GTA will vastly improve after the moves and whatever power changes are scheduled are completed. This should be the last of what has been a very busy time for TV outlets on both sides of the border.    

 

February 14, 2020 2:51 pm  #2


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This is not final Buffalo repack nor all the channels that must move by this date as per this FCC website.

 

February 14, 2020 2:52 pm  #3


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https://www.rabbitears.info/market.php (market 54) has the complete list including the Toronto and area stations that are moving.

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February 14, 2020 3:06 pm  #4


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Thanks for the update. I guess WKBW & WNED are the two I'm most worried about. The Toronto ones will almost certainly come in no matter where they go.

The point was that the moves of the major Buffalo outlets will happen on March 13th, if things stay on schedule. I'm hoping that there will be a reception improvement. I've been having issues with Channel 7 ever since the signals went digital. It's the major border station I can't count on. And lately, 17 has been AWOL more often than not. 

Maybe both changes will help but that remains to be seen. 

Or not seen, as the case may be.

I'm told the drop dead deadline for all the final changes will be July 2020.

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February 14, 2020 4:14 pm  #5


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Never had any issue with PBS, FOX was the one that was hit and miss and now it's fine.  The 7's come and go, but mainly they are there, just weak.  CTV (CFTO) on the other hand is a complete waste of time.  Probably can tune it in 10% of the time.

 

February 14, 2020 4:20 pm  #6


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Really? CFTO? What part of the area are you in? I occasionally have issues with CBLT, which is one of the strongest signals in Toronto. Never did quite figure out why, but I have an amplifier on the antenna and I often wonder if it's just too strong for the Channel 5 signal and creating problems. Good thing is I almost never watch CBC, so I'm not missing much. 

WKBW and WNED, however, I do miss, especially in bad weather. 

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February 14, 2020 4:43 pm  #7


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I'm in Whitby, Manning and Anderson area (south end), can see the lake from the roof and it's a clear shot to the CN tower.  Its a UHF/VHF issue I believe.

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February 14, 2020 5:15 pm  #8


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According to their website, CFTO operates at 10,200 watts which isn't very powerful for a VHF signal. Would a VHF antenna improve your reception of CFTO in Whitby? I am guessing Whitby is as far east of Toronto as Oakville is west. My parents had no trouble in Oakville with any of the Toronto stations with a UHF antenna.

 

February 14, 2020 7:13 pm  #9


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Agreed that the proper antenna is needed for receiving stations that are transmitting on (real, not virtual) VHF channels. In general, those little flat "leaf" type antennas don't do the trick very well. Rabbit ears, the old-fashioned kind, work quite well. 

I was in the GTA a month or so ago, staying with friends in deepest Etobicoke (Kipling/Rathburne), and had no trouble getting clean CFTO reception with my usual travel antenna, a Terk HDTVa. This was at more or less ground level - the CN Tower signals all came in decently, but no Buffalo or even Hamilton was coming in there. 

 

February 14, 2020 9:51 pm  #10


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I’m in Oakville. CFTO reception not nearly as good since it changed from real channel 9 to 8. Can disappear completely when a truck drives by.

 

February 15, 2020 7:55 am  #11


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I was told they were operating CFTO at half power and have been for a while while work was being done.  That from one of my contacts in Bell

 

February 15, 2020 6:05 pm  #12


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Two more Buffalo stations to change during repack.
WNYO-TV Channel 49 (RF) will move to Channel 16, and relocate to Grand Island.   
WBXZ-LP -"Ch 56"  which is a low powered station (15KW)  running about 12 channels including Retro TV, Buzzr, Throwback TV, DriveIn TV, Cozi TV network, will move from Channel 17 (RF) to Channel 23 (RF).  It displays as Ch. 56.  That move is being held up by some cross-border regulatory issues.   But is likely to be approved later. Their transmitter is on one of the tallest buildings in Buffalo near the Peace Bridge.
WNYO-TV is scheduled to move to ATSC-3 at some point, which would require a new receiver.  But they will be required to have a night-light signal for a few years, and that may appear as a ".3" or .4" on one of the other Buffalo stations, probably WUTV.

WNYO from Grand Island will be at 575 KW, which is significantly greater than WNED.  Their main lobe will  be in the direction of Oakville and Mississauga.  By comparison they are currently operating at 105Kw on channel 49. from a location east of Buffalo

 

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fybush wrote:

Agreed that the proper antenna is needed for receiving stations that are transmitting on (real, not virtual) VHF channels. In general, those little flat "leaf" type antennas don't do the trick very well. Rabbit ears, the old-fashioned kind, work quite well. 

I was in the GTA a month or so ago, staying with friends in deepest Etobicoke (Kipling/Rathburne), and had no trouble getting clean CFTO reception with my usual travel antenna, a Terk HDTVa. This was at more or less ground level - the CN Tower signals all came in decently, but no Buffalo or even Hamilton was coming in there. 

Had that same antenna at MartinGrove and Rathburn on top floor of house, picked up all of Buffalo, Toronto Hamilton and tropo I got Rochester and Erie.